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27 March 2009

Are You a Crazy-Ass Racist?

Probably, at least according to the super-secret liberal e-mail group called JournoList. Mickey Kaus reveals a long string of e-mails among these elites of perfectly liberal opinion. The title of the thread is "Marty Peretz is a Crazy-Ass Racist" - yes, that's Marty Peretz of the liberal New Republic. What terrible thing did he do, you must be thinking. Did he use the N-word against a little-old lady? Did he call for the reinstatement of Jim Crow laws, or voice regret over the emancipation of the slaves? Not quite. What he did was raise some concerns about Mexican-American relations:
"Well, I am extremely pessimistic about Mexican-American relations, not because the U.S. had done anything specifically wrong to our southern neighbor but because a (now not quite so) wealthy country has as its abutter a Latin society with all of its characteristic deficiencies: congenital corruption, authoritarian government, anarchic politics, near-tropical work habits, stifling social mores, Catholic dogma with the usual unacknowledged compromises, an anarchic counter-culture and increasingly violent modes of conflict. Then, there is the Mexican diaspora in America, hard-working and patriotic but mired in its untold numbers of illegals, about whom no one can talk with candor."
Now the part I bolded above might be a thoughtless use of a stereotype - I have no idea how to measure the work habits of Mexicans, and not sure Peretz has any real knowledge to back that up. But otherwise, isn't all of the above at worst plausibly true, if not clearly true. I'm not sure what exactly he means by "Catholic dogma with the usual unacknowledged compromises", but if it has anything to do with the disturbingly high illegitimacy rates among Latino immigrants in the U.S., I think I have an idea.

The most questionable part is where he praises Mexican immigrants as "hard-working and patriotic." Is there much evidence of Mexican-Americans as particularly patriotic or having a particularly strong work-ethic outside of the illegal-immigrant sweatshop culture? Most ironic are his last words where he ruefully notes that "no one can talk with candor."

This group of liberals - Jonathan Chait, Eric Alterman, Matthew Yglesias and company - are real pips. Could there be any chance of reasonable discourse with such a group on, say, education policy? Well there can't, because the whole point of their conversation is to advertise their liberalness. They're really not even particularly interested in advancing an agenda. Policy discussions bore them - their liberalism doesn't lead them to propose policies - policies rather serve to confirm their liberalism.

They wouldn't, for example, exert one iota of brain energy on what the actual outcome of "comprehensive immigration reform" might be. They need only know that supporting it demonstrates their post-human perfection, in direct contrast to the neo-nazis who would prefer to see the number of illegal immigrants reduced. They don't advance agendas - agendas advance them. And so the accuracy of Peretz's comments is completely irrelevant - like craters on the moon, his musings suggest a flaw in the presumed perfection of the heavens - that there should be any doubts regarding the unalloyed equality of humanity; thus anyone raising these flaws must be dispatched to the rack lest such reckless talk be thought acceptable. The theology must be defended against all doubters!

Or consider energy policy. Does a single one of them consider for a moment exactly how we are supposed to achieve their angelically minimal carbon emission goals? Has the thought occurred to them how the utopia of Europe has minimized its use of (for them much more expensive) fossil fuels? The answer is through nuclear and diesel - oops - two fuels that the American liberalentsia utterly disdains. But it doesn't matter - proposing specific solutions is beneath them - the very exercise of calling for fossil-fuel reductions gives them that warm, fuzzy, superior feeling they crave. The theology is all that matters.

28 Comments:

Anonymous John Derbyshire said...

Ziel: There is at least one other thing to be said about this group of preening "anti-racist" liberals. Their operational assumption is that any human group is just as capable at anything as any other human group. Here are the names, where given, on the JournoList extracts provided by Kaus:

Chris Hayes
Matthew Yglesias
Matt Duss
Jonathan Chait
Jesse Singal
Isaac Chotiner
Eric Alterman
Katha Pollitt
Alyssa Rosenberg
Rick Perlstein
Jesse Singal
Brad DeLong
Alex Rossmiller
Ezra Klein

Whether Mexicans have "tropical work habits" (like Singapore?) or not, I couldn't say, but they sure don't seem to be welcome on JournoList.

March 28, 2009 10:02 AM  
Anonymous robert61 said...

...and that pushy SOB Singal is on the list twice! At the very least, he should give up one of his slots to a deserving Latino.

March 28, 2009 10:50 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Those insufferable Catholic dogmatists, with their usual unacknowledged compromises, don't seem welcome either. But there is another religious/ethnic group that's tremendously overrepresented. If there's one thing that vexes anti-White anti-racists even more than "racism", it's anyone uncouth enough to notice the disproportion of ethnocentric "racists" amongst them.

March 28, 2009 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

The Derb:

Chris Hayes
Matthew Yglesias
Matt Duss
Jonathan Chait
Jesse Singal
Isaac Chotiner
Eric Alterman
Katha Pollitt
Alyssa Rosenberg
Rick Perlstein
Jesse Singal
Brad DeLong
Alex Rossmiller
Ezra Klein


Compare your list to this list:

Alan Greenspan
Ben Bernanke
Hank Paulson
Timothy Geithner
Barney Frank
Charles Schumer
Jamie  Gorelick
Robert Rubin
Herbert & Marion Sandler
Lehman Brothers
The moles at  Goldman Sachs
Bernard Madoff
Rahm  Emanuel
David L Herzog
Andrew Fastow
etc etc etc

Or maybe this list:

George Soros
David Geffen
Penny Pritzker
David Axelrod
Cass Sunstein
etc etc etc

You know, when someone like Kaus shines the light on these cockroaches, and you discover that there really is a star chamber at work here [just like you always knew there was, but you didn't want people to think that you were paranoid], and when you learn who was financing Lenin in the critical years of 1918 to 1923, and when you learn who introduced marxism to Sun Yat-sen and Mao Tse-Tung, and when you learn that "Axelrod" is a very old menshevik name...

Boy, I tell you what, with a little bit of book learnin' like that, it ain't gonna be long before the likes of Marty Peretz will be accusing you - just an average hayseed redneck - of THE HATE THAT DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME!!!

Oh, no, wait - that can't be possible - because given the nature of the present circumstances, that would amount to irony, and Palin-voting flyover-country simpletons are far too dimwitted to grasp the higher, more elegant nuances of the intellect, like irony...

You know, I'm tempted to say: "Marty Peretz - you devoted your entire life to making this bed, kiddo - now go sleep in it."

But then there's another part of the me which counsels mercy, and which wonders about the value of deathbed conversions.

Oh well, better late than never, I suppose.

March 28, 2009 12:47 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

You can make another list:
Ludwig von Mises
Murray Rothbard
Peter Schiff
...

Look, Jews are very accomplished people and in any intellectual gathering not specifically non-Jewish, you're going to get a lot of Jews in the list. I think we know why.

But I get your point about Peretz getting a taste of his own medicine. It seems to me all Jews would have to do to end most of the conspiracy theorizing is embrace Cochran's hypothesis, instead of pretending their prominence is due to some magical feature of their 'culture'. Then they could say "What conspiracy? We're just smart - we can't help it."

But then the implications of accepting that would be to dangerous to complicate. Best to keep the conspiracy theories going.

March 28, 2009 2:15 PM  
Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

ziel: Look, Jews are very accomplished people and in any intellectual gathering not specifically non-Jewish, you're going to get a lot of Jews in the list. I think we know why.

Sorry, but I ain't seeing a whole heckuva lotta Goys at the heart of this Sand-State-CRA-Redlining-Bubble-Economy fiasco [at least not any Goyim of the pasty-white variety] - what I see are Tribalists like the Sandlers & the Madoffs running off with literally BILLIONS of dollars in loot [not to mention people like the Fastows before them], and apparatchik maggots like Gorelick and Emmanuel laughing all the way to the bank.

BTW, speaking of "the bank" - since when did we decide that The Tribe would get free reign to run both the Fed and the Treasury - right into the ground? [Goyim need not apply?!?] Since when did we decide that The Tribe gets to print itself TRILLIONS of dollars in paper and then distribute that paper amongst itself without any Congressional oversight? [Cf what they did in Russia 15 years ago.] Since when did we decide that The Tribe could order private enterprises to take TARP money even though said enterprises had no desire to do so? Since when did we decide that The Tribe could seize private enterprises and nationalize said enterprises against their wills?

I sure as heck don't remember voting on any of this.

For that matter, when I look at the historical record, I don't see a whole heckuva lotta Scots-Irishmen financing Lenin or introducing Karl Marx to Sun Yat-sen, either.

Until we can find the gonads to start talking about the underlying truth of this disaster, we aren't going to have any hope of fixing it.

PS: And yes, it's damned ironic [and, quite frankly, more than a little just] that this monster which Marty Peretz nurtured over his entire career would now, in the sunset of his life, turn its wrath upon him and devour him.

PPS: And while we're on the topic, Jamie Gorelick was at the heart of the two greatest disasters of the post-WWII era - she authored the Clinton Justice Department's "Wall of Separation" policy which lead directly to the murders of almost 3000 Americans on September 11, 2001, and she was also part of what should have been the executive oversight of Fannie Mae, and instead walked away Scot-free [or maybe I should say "Tribe-Free"?] with at least $25.6 MILLION in Tribe-Geld just as the whole house of cards imploded on itself, threw the US Economy into the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, and led directly to the election of the most incompetent lunatic to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the history of this nation. [Or maybe that was the plan all along?!?]

I mean - seriously - this witch is up there with Emma Goldman and Rosa Luxemburg and Margaret Sanger for the title of "The Single Most Evil Woman Who Ever Walked The Face Of The Earth".

As Michael Alan "Savage" Weiner would ask: How in Hades can these people NOT be in prison?!?

Or better yet, not lined up against a wall and simply shot?

[Oops, did that last line just cause Echelon to forward a warning to the Secret Service? Oh well, screw them if it did.]

March 28, 2009 3:45 PM  
Blogger Jim O said...

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March 28, 2009 5:53 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

Papists, rednecks, and hillbillies remain perfectly legitimate targets of invective, ridicule, and stereotyping.

March 28, 2009 5:55 PM  
Blogger Jim O said...

I note that the anti-Catholic sentiments of Mr. Peretz's post have yet to arouse objection.
While I'm no longer an adherent of Catholic doctrine (actually, I never was), I am annoyed that everyone seems to agree that anti-Catholic sentiment is, if not acceptable, at least not unacceptable.

March 28, 2009 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Florida resident said...

Old joke.
A slogan on a poster:
" Kill YYYY and byciclists !!! "
A passer-by is bewildered:
"But what the byciclists are guilty of ?", meaning that the guilt of YYYY is self-evident.

YYYY may be any objct of the joke-teller's conceren: Catholics, Jews, homosexuals, whities, etc.
Respectfully, Florida resident.

March 28, 2009 6:10 PM  
Blogger Black Sea said...

To take your final point, assuming -- as so many do -- that carbon emmissions represent the greatest threat to terrestrial life since, well, since god (lower case) knows when, one would have to see the global financial meltdown as god's (lower case) gift to the planet.

I keep waiting for one of these, any of these, carbon-loathing green avengers to come out and declare the obvious, which is that we should pray (read hope) that the global financial meltdown is as deep, prolonged, and severe as possible, since it has thus far done wonders for reducing consumption of oil and electricity.

Actually, now that I think about it, I may have stumbled across a plausible rationale for the administration's current economic programs.

March 28, 2009 10:58 PM  
Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

Me: Charles Schumer

Me: Sorry, but I ain't seeing a whole heckuva lotta Goys at the heart of this Sand-State-CRA-Redlining-Bubble-Economy fiasco [at least not any Goyim of the pasty-white variety]...

Jesus Christ [no pun intended] - I'm over at Michelle Malkin and I see that yet another Tribalist just got kicked out of the Treasury Dept for some cooking-of-the-books-scandal involving IndyMac.

"IndyMac"... hmmm... Now where have I heard that name before???

March 28, 2009 11:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"stifling social mores"

What does this mean?

A high illegitimacy rate hardly indicates this, correct?

March 28, 2009 11:36 PM  
Anonymous Fanatical Precision said...

One nit-picking detail about that list -- according to a few biographies on the net Henry Merritt "Hank" Paulson was raised as a Christian Scientist on a farm near Barrington Hills, IL. He and fellow Golman Sachs ex-CEO Jon Corzine may thus belong to the category "people that many others erroneously believe to be Jewish".

March 28, 2009 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geithner is not Jewish.

March 29, 2009 12:30 AM  
Anonymous togo said...

Eliminate the FPTP voting system and institute proportional representation voting to the maximum degree possible and you will go a long way towards eliminating the ideological domination of the kind of people who are on that list. The hard core lefties are crazy enough to think they will benefit from reforms like this, but they are clearly wrong-especially since their allies in the MSM are near death.

P.S. This assumes that the secret ballot won't be eliminated.

March 29, 2009 12:38 AM  
Blogger ziel said...

One nit-picking detail about that list -- according to a few biographies on the net Henry Merritt "Hank" Paulson was raised as a Christian Scientist on a farm near Barrington Hills, IL. He and fellow Golman Sachs ex-CEO Jon Corzine may thus belong to the category "people that many others erroneously believe to be Jewish".

For the record, I don't believe this is a "Jew" thing here. Derb made his original list pointing out there were no Mexicans on it - other commenters (well, "Lucius Vorenus") made a Jewish issue out of it. Jews are obviously more liberal than the average American, but other than that I don't see any Jewish angle to this. The point is that there is a group of liberals who will not accept any discussion of differences between populations, and will brand any such discussion "crazy-ass racist" just to be sure it doesn't happen. These people are uninterested in actual practical approaches to solving any actual real problems - their only interest is in reinforcing their own moral superiority.

Is this membership of this group over-represented by Jews? Probably - so what?

March 29, 2009 2:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberals are starting to realize that their normally faithful coloured companions might become a burden? The left first started using non-whites to attain political power. They never thought they'd see the day when their faithful colored companions would start interfering with this political power. Hilary Clinton was the first to feel this slap of reality. Be on the lookout for more liberals who figure this out.

March 29, 2009 2:43 AM  
Blogger Steve Sailer said...

I haven't seen much evidence that Jews are more over-represented among finance guys who screwed up royally than among finance guys in general. I just don't see a pattern.

March 29, 2009 5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I haven't seen much evidence that Jews are more over-represented among finance guys who screwed up royally than among finance guys in general. I just don't see a pattern."

But they are definitely overrepresented among finance guys. The point is that you cannot make this point. There is a gaping hole in the popular conception of things as they have stood in the last 100 years.

March 29, 2009 10:32 PM  
Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

Steve Sailer I haven't seen much evidence that Jews are more over-represented among finance guys who screwed up royally than among finance guys in general. I just don't see a pattern.

I suppose you might be able to argue that the Goys [Carter & Clinton & Bush 43] are "responsible" for the demand* side of this mess [to the extent that their administrations championed all of that CRA/Redlining/Homeownership nonsense].

But to argue that The Tribe isn't up to its eyeballs in cupability on the supply side of this fiasco is simply ludicrous.



*Although my gut tells me that if you could peel back the layers of the onion on the demand side, then you'd find plenty of Tribalists with dirty hands there, as well.

March 30, 2009 5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me all Jews would have to do to end most of the conspiracy theorizing is embrace Cochran's hypothesis, instead of pretending their prominence is due to some magical feature of their 'culture'. Then they could say "What conspiracy? We're just smart - we can't help it."

Smartness has nothing to do with it. Jews predominate in so many key professions because they all help each other. It's the triumph of the collective over the individual. For all their hollering about the injustice of the "old boys club", the Jewish club is a much greater factor in American life.

The "long march" though the institutions was greatly facilitated by the fact that the core of the left was made up of a very clannish ethnic group. In fact, what seems to be the long march may have been the incidental byproduct of Jews giving each other jobs. It only became a left-wing takeover because Jews are remarkably left-wing.

April 11, 2009 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this membership of this group over-represented by Jews? Probably - so what?

So what? That's a curious attitude to take. It's reminiscent of the morally blind left - "we will pretend people are interchangeable units regardless of the facts".

April 11, 2009 8:49 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

Jews predominate in so many key professions because they all help each other.

Lots of groups all help each other. The Italians and Irish looked after their own, too. It helped - for the Irish, it might even have hurt, since the helping meant securing safe but low-paying civil service jobs. But it makes it a lot easier to help out one's fellow co-ethnics when there's such a high rate of achievement in the group.

April 12, 2009 8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of groups all help each other.

It's illegal, in theory. And Jews did much to make it illegal - for everybody else. It's been a very long time since Italians or Irish displayed the same clannishness as Jews. The modern white person recoils in horror at the thought of helping his co-ethnics.

April 13, 2009 7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it makes it a lot easier to help out one's fellow co-ethnics when there's such a high rate of achievement in the group.

It's hard to disentangle cause and effect there. It's a lot easier to get that high achievement when there is that high level of group solidarity.

Amazingly enough, back when WASPs displayed the same clannishness as modern Jews they also had higher achievement. Who'd have thunk it?

April 13, 2009 7:20 AM  
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