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19 February 2008

What Me Worry?

My horizon for worrying about the future is a little past the end of the century - somewhere past my grandchildrens' middle ages - putative grandchildren, that is - I don't actually have any yet. I'm not sure how much to worry about that time frame, but I think there's much to fear.

Now some worry about things like global warming and nuclear Armageddon. Such calamities don't even register on my anxiety meter. While I put the probability of global warming being a real concern at about 75%, I can't imagine that if this civilization of ours is even worth saving in 100 years that we will not have settled into a path to a clear technological solution by then - and a pretty nifty one at that. As for nuclear Armageddon, sure that's possible, but hell it's Armageddon - no point worrying about that - it's all over - at least humanity as we might recognize it. But this is a real low probability event.

I worry more about the slow, inexorable decay of civilization. I worry that my grandchildren will not live in a world governed by the rule of law; that the protection of local, state and national law enforcement will not be a fundamental fact of life. I fear a world where various gangs, tribes, factions will vie for power and control of turf; where the basic decisions of life - where to live, where to work, who to marry - will be driven by these very forces.

In short I worry that this incredible civilization of ours - a true heaven on earth by any standards that the world has ever known - will perish from the earth. I'm writing about this because I found this post on Dennis Mangan's blog quite sobering. He points out that the infertility of the West pretty much dooms it to extinction. Then there is this projection of the U.S. population in 40 years (via Sailer), with "minorities" in the majority, a sure road to tribalism.

Let's consider what it is we have and what we stand to lose. What we have is a civilization where material wants are essentially eliminated. Each person has a warm, dry, comfortable bed to sleep in; dry, heated, and often cooled shelter which keeps out animals and pests (save for the occasional rodent or roach). Our clothing is easily kept clean and varied, and our sanitation facilities ensure that we need never be in contact with human waste. We have abundant food, rich in protein, so much so that too much food is a far greater health threat than too little, which as a health problem is almost non-existent. Our food and water supplies are pathogen free (with very rare exceptions), and most any disease that would have killed almost anyone 150 years ago is easily cured. The available mental stimulation is limitless, transportation ubiquitous, and miraculous labor-saving machines not even given a second thought. We have a trained police force to keep us safe and a justice system that, while flawed, typically does its best to determine guilt and innocence and send away dangerous criminals.

And now the people who created this paradise are dying out? The Japanese and it appears the Chinese (and perhaps a tiny slice of India) have caught on to how to create such a world, but others really haven't figured it out too well, and those others are the ones who would appear to be replacing the reproductively hapless Euros. Sure, in many parts of Latin America millions lead modern, affluent lives. But many more do not, and the rule of law is never very certain. It seems that some think of the wealth and safety of life in North America, kind of like oak trees and redwoods, as just simply existing within those geographic borders. But of course it's that way because the people living there have made it that way. But for how much longer?


Anonymous SULLY said...

Don't you just hate it when you see three cup sizes and you ask for a SMALL and they say "We don't carry SMALL, we only carry MEDIUM, LARGE and EXTRA LARGE" to which you can't help but confirm with them that MEDIUM is indeed the SMALLEST of the three sizes and that you would like your Coke in the SMALLEST cup they sell.

It is exactly this that I worry about for my grandshildren, everything else is just silly.

February 20, 2008 10:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Im the "anonymous" whose post Mangan highlighted. I also note in the thread the example of a Muslim man in Britan who has quit his job, gotten on welfare, and had 12 children with his first cousin/wife.

Ive run the numbers for everyone.

2 immigrants make 12 kids, and if the 12 kids have a mere 6 kids apiece, you get 72 decendents.

If the 12 kids have 4 kids apiece (one third as many as their parents), you get 48 decendents.

Britan has a white birthrate of about 1.5 if you account for white babies (and not half white babies) born to white mothers.

So to make 12 babies, you need 18 Brits. If these 12 kids do the same, you get 8 Brits.

Zeil, lets compare shall we?

2 Muslims make 12 kids, 72 grandkids.

or 2 Mulsims make 12 kids, and 48 grandkids if kids only have 4 children each.

18 Brits make 12 kids, and kids make 8 grandkids.

2, 12, 72 (or 48)


18, 12, 8

Who wins? 72>8 and 48>8, Islam wins.

Like Quaddafi said, "we do have the children bomb", and the west will pay for it.

Pat Buchannan was right about those orphanages Ziel. Kids can be used as a social weapon bigger than anything else.

I do not take pleasure in having my gloomy predictons come true, but Ive been very good at picking out trends and predicting future trends (much to my dismay, as I'd love to be wrong about all of this).

The situation will be even worse than you think when you take into account how white women chase the militarily strongest male group. If you go to a half white/half black high school, you will see even the pretty white girls getting passed around and fucked like concubines by the alpha black males who talk like rap artists. They are chasing the "loudest and proudest" males. Even if they fall of that at 23 with two mixed-race kids, the white males will still resent the hell out of these girls and wont marry them. This will probably be happening in Europe as white males, who can get in tons of "hate crime trouble" will be cowed and silenced by the louder and prouder muslim males when they have the numbers.

I think Im right (but sure as hell hope not) about one more thing that Ive brought up on your blog, and Gary Brecher (the War Nerd) agrees with me. Fire being used in terrorism. He wrote a whole article about it here:

He praises fire as the most underused, totally effective terror weapon in history and points out the mega-millions the California fires cost while it only took a cigarette lighter to light them (I think they caught the loon who did it, and he's not a terrorist), but you get my point. Look at all the damage to the economy that was done and raised insurane rates for everyone by one lone whacko with a bic. And here we are letting in gazillions of Arabs. Not smart.

I'll tell you one more prediction.....the US and Mexico will probably be a de facto nation in 30 years, but white residents in the Southwest will note how cruelly that the hispanics start to treat them as they get numerically dominant. Asians and whites are already starting to have some friction out west. God, if there is a God, seperated races on different continents, who in the hell are we to try and kumbaya the whole world together and make everyone interbreed while expecting no friction? Its stupid. We were much better off in 1980. We will find other cultures to be much more resiliant and not wanting to be watered down and "bred out" as our own white culture who the media has beaten to death with accusations of racism, sexism, and ignorance (because it isn't liberal). Other cultures will cry "race" if the media tries the same with them.

I know, Im a pessimist and a cynic, but thats how ol' Miles sees it.

February 20, 2008 8:48 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

Thanks Miles - you're unrelentingly pessimistic outlook is depressingly difficult to dismiss. The great Welfare Reform of the 90's helped, but that seems as distant and irrelevant to our times as the Apollo program. And the danger comes in many guises, some out of the blue, like the subprime debacle - while clearly a symptom of our immoral financial system, it was brought about by some very specific lending patterns that the press is not inclined to discuss.

February 20, 2008 11:37 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

Sully - are you suggesting I'm being a whiner? Well, I probably am, but read the "anonymous" post above and reconsider.

February 20, 2008 11:38 PM  
Anonymous Sully said...

After careful consideration, I take back my dislike of this new standard of MEDIUM, LARGE and EXTRA LARGE and even propose a newer standard of LARGE, EXTRA LARGE and SUPER SIZE. I just happened to be measuring my penis with a ruler last night but I don't think that has anything to do with this.

February 21, 2008 8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A ruler? Mine requires a tape measure.

February 21, 2008 10:48 AM  
Anonymous Sully said...

Did I mention the ruler was a yard stick? No?

At any rate, it would be pretty quiet around here if those two "minorities" Adam & Eve decided not to procreate.

February 21, 2008 7:55 PM  
Anonymous James F (The other one) said...

two "minorities" Adam & Eve ??
Next thing you'll be saying Jesus was a middle eastern...

February 23, 2008 8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if civilization as we know it will decline as quickly as Ziel fears but these comments didn't take very long to get down to the gutter level.

February 25, 2008 6:25 PM  
Anonymous Old but good said...

Why should we care about future generations? What have they ever done for us?

February 25, 2008 7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who wins? 72>8 and 48>8, Islam wins.: THIS IS FOR REAL. "we do have the children bomb",
What is the most popular male birth name in England now- anybody know?

February 26, 2008 8:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope you're not going to say Mohammed but I suspect you are.

February 26, 2008 9:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tribalism is a problem only if you don't have a tribe. And it's only recently whites (in America) haven't been allowed tribal membership.

The most successful super tribe, Western civilization, must be exclusive to continue. It can't be exported and it can't be gotten into someone.

50/50 HS? Not to my knowledge. Unless you count a Little Rock AK HS situation with all the white students in the honors program and all the blacks in the mainstream program (with no contact between the two).

What you do have are 90/10, 10/90, 20/80, 20/20/60 and so forth. In such cases the situation you describe exists only rarely. What is far more common is for white students to establish a culture and social scene that is entirely their own. Tough kids too. A Haitian blind-sided a white kid at Charlestown (Boston) HS (10% white). It took 100 BPD officers to protect the black kids. Wiggerism and mudsharking near extinction.

As far as blacks being all chingon and such, you jest. 17 of the 22 boxing titles at middleweight and heavier are held by whites. All heavyweight boxing champions are white. It's been three years since a black qualified as a Navy SEAL (and later dropped out). 95% of USAF pilots are white.

Yes, blacks are heavily advertised as perfect in form and function. But the truth be that blacks are the most dismal soldiers the world has ever known. Quite adept at murdering college coeds, but not much otherwise.

How many white people are there in the world? 600M? 1B? Considering birth rates can change very quickly what is there to be worried about? We've seen worse shite than this. Did the Spanish just lay down and die? The Greeks? The Armenians? The Serbs?

It's useful to lay out a worst case scenario, but I doubt the concern is sincere. At some level I think whites would enjoy a true crisis.


March 19, 2008 4:27 PM  

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