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05 February 2008

Sounds Like They Were Doing Their Job

CIA Director Michael Hayden testified that only three (3) terror suspects were waterboarded in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The three "victims" were Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and senior al Qaeda leaders Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. That's what all this fuss is about - three well-known and well-funded terrorists? Now maybe you think Hayden is lying and there were in fact dozens - perhaps hundreds - who were waterboarded. Otherwise, if you find this disturbing, I have one question for you: WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Senator Majority Leader Dick "Dick" Durbin is determined to get to the bottom of this and force a criminal investigation. Since no even remotely sane person could actually be bothered by the waterboarding of these guys, I have to assume that Durbin is fundamentally anti-American*, as there's nothing that could come out such an investigation but further embarrassment and discrediting of the U.S. Unless you subscribe to the notion that if we debase ourselves before the world then the world will like us. It doesn't matter if the world likes us - it only matters if they respect us. So, sure, when we drop bombs on wedding parties thinking they're terrorist training camps we lose respect. And when we can't bear the thought of roughing up some terrorists involved in the murder of 3,000 of our fellow citizens, we similarly lose respect. I'd be more than happy though to not torture anymore terrorists and dramatically reduce our footprint in terror-friendly regions. Pretty soon they'll forget we even exist.

* Anti-American is probably too strong - it's more like a-American. Durbin and his colleague Obama (and many others) don't think in terms of America but of some higher principles that transcend a nation - a quest for a kind of higher-order transcendent society that would have been unrecognizable 50 years ago as "American" except by the more knowing socialists. Sort of like Norman Lear's vision of the "American Way", where the nativity is banned from Christmas, where members of all racial and ethnic groups are proportionately represented in all walks of life, where pornography and family-fare are co-equal, where abortions are freely available, where school discipline is tightly constrained, where men marry men and women marry women, firearms are banned, and loitering is a natural right of man. Perhaps you do prefer such a society, but it is in no way, shape or form the "American Way."


Anonymous Anonymous said...

The world is going to hate the US no matter what we do. If we get involved in other countries whether it is war (Iraq) or actual humanitarian help(like after the tsunami in SE Asia) we are either meddling or acting like bullies, etc...If we don't get involved (Darfur) then we are ignoring other nations and not being generous or helping, we have so much we should do so, we are being stingy (as that asshole Swede UN motherfucker blathered about) etc...
In any event, I applaud the fact that we have tortured these jihadi assholes, hopefully it was hundreds. In fact, after waterboarding them, we should execute them by firing squad if we gain no useful information. Remember that one jihadi they released from Guantanamo? he went back to, surprise, being a terrorist! I wonder how many more American (or other people he helped to kill before he finally got taken out himself?)
Our enemies are not afraid of us, not one fucking bit. The very fact that there was some kind of asinine debate or Q and A over waterboarding makes us look like a bunch of cringing pussies. The only debate we should be having is why haven't we executed and tortured more of our enemies. And people wonder why nobody fucked with the USSR and why nobody fucks with the PRC now. We look so weak and soft, it makes my stomach turn. While our usless "leadership" debates this kind of shit, our enemies set up IEDs and get help from Iran or launch another suicide attack. Lord knows what else is in the works.
As for Durbin, he is nothing but a pinko, softy slimeball who wouldn't last 5 fucking minutes with the likes of any of the people we are fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Not 5 fucking minutes. Our enemies are hard-core fighters, killers and sadists who enjoy their work and are very good at what they do. I pray that assholes like Durbin visit us overseas and spend a day or so with us without some entourage. Get his ass in body armor and helmet and have him walk the beat over here. Maybe he could spend some time in an interrogation session with an unrestrained jihadi who was captured by US forces? I mean, what could be the danger? Durbin is on their side and I am sure would have no problem with it. Calling Durbin Anti-American is not strong enough.

February 06, 2008 11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know where Durbin is coming from specifically, but there is a good case against authorizing the State to torture based upon low-level buerocratic decision-making.

* These methods are not proven to be effective.

* For the people who really deserve torture, there are ways to do this at higher levels that get the job done while still providing some safeguards for American citizen's rights.

* In general, American citizens should be far more worried about the all-powerful State abusing them than some handful of random terrorist.

* Lowest on the list is the PR value of showing the rest of the world, potential friends and allies, that America is compromised on this point.

This is a slippery slope to unrestrained goverment power over citizens (who could be labelled a terrorist just as well as any foriegner for whatever reason), has no proven benefit and many obvious, long-term threats to the freedom of America citizens.

February 06, 2008 2:43 PM  
Blogger ziel said...

Second Anonymous: Those are reasonable points and may well be valid - probably are valid. I think our basic policy ought to be "no torture", but it's unrealistic to think that there won't be exceptional situations allowing for exceptional actions. But assuming that actual instances of torture (excluding abuse cases like at Abu Graib - that's a whole nuther matter) were limited to a handful of "high-value" cases in the wake of 9/11, I think Durbin's off his rocker.

February 06, 2008 8:27 PM  
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